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Post by Vincent Valentine on Mar 8, 2009 9:22:38 GMT -5
OMG! BRE!!! *tackle-glomps*
And yes, I was a step beyond evil. Now I'm three episodes beyond evil. XD
So I must be, like...super...mega evil. XD
And no one can prove they exist, because physically and meta-physically, we cannot prove reality, as perception can be made to perceive what you would like to believe is real. As far as existance is concerned, we have no idea or way to prove said existance, because those in which we interact with, could possibly have been designed within our own minds, in order to make us believe we are truly alive. We might just be brains in jars in a room on some far away planet, in an entirely different solar system in another galaxy in a different space-time continuum.
Setz: Most likely. It's good.
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Fujin
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Even though I've lived clumsily until now, I'll still try to do what's right.
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Post by Fujin on Mar 8, 2009 10:07:05 GMT -5
Reality exists. It exists because we perceive it. Even if such perception is the product of imagination, that system of imagination exists, and so then too must the reality within it. We exist, either within or without what we call "reality," it doesn't matter - we can't be nothing, even if we try. Only if we cannot be perceived, by ourselves or anyone else, can our existence begin to be questioned.
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Mar 8, 2009 10:59:38 GMT -5
You sound like a philosopher that has been smoking pot and is now reflecting on the non-existence of things
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Fujin
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Even though I've lived clumsily until now, I'll still try to do what's right.
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Post by Fujin on Mar 8, 2009 11:01:16 GMT -5
So... I sound like me. Good to know
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Mar 8, 2009 13:37:24 GMT -5
Just thought you would like to know...
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Mar 8, 2009 14:26:14 GMT -5
by the way... you had a very interesting theory on Reality and Existence but you are taking reality to be much more hypothetical than it really is. Just because we believe reality exists does not make it so. Let’s look at the definition of the words Reality and existence for a moment.
Reality- something that constitutes a real or actual thing, as distinguished from something that is merely of the nature of an illusion.
As you can see here, the constitution of the real being is distinguished from something that is merely just an illusion. Do illusions truly exist? Or are illusions just pictures that show us what we want to see?
Existence- Continued or repeated manifestation; occurrence, as of events of any kind.
An occurrence of an event of any kind, an event being a significant occurrence or happening. This implies that there was acknowledgment of the event or else it would not have been significant. Just because we believe we exist does not make us exist. It only makes us begin a theological existence. Only when the theological takes a shape and form, manifested for all who are willing to acknowledge does one truly begin in reality. One may believe they are real only to a certain point, but without others acknowledgments of reality, there perceived existences is truly nothing. You say that we can’t be “nothing” but I sugest that in reality we are all nothing until we prove through others that we truly exist.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Mar 8, 2009 15:41:47 GMT -5
I think therefor I am.
You all appear intelligent enough to think.
Therefor, either you all exist or you're all me, and I exist, so you must all exist. Well, unless you're illusions.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Mar 9, 2009 4:28:58 GMT -5
This is seeming slightly reminiscent of Neon Genesis Evangelion. XD
However, it is true that we may not perceive things as real to anyone but ourselves, and without the acknowledgement given by others, we are not truly alive.
It explains the way many people act. For example, the person who always tries to make everyone notice them, by thrusting themselves into being the centre-piece of people's attentions, or the person who treats others with disrespect and as though they are a lesser being, to get what they want. They are, in they're own manifestation, proving their existence to others, through the only way they may know how.
Should you take away indivuality; then in turn, no one will exist. As they will not have the energy, the will, or the self-satisfaction to do anything that may prove they are apart of this 'reality'. Perceive as you will, and act accordingly, are the means to prove one's existence, unless the existence is purposefully and permanently ignored.
Thus, existence is a loop. Without proof, there is nothing, with proof, that proof must be maintained to remain alive.
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Mar 9, 2009 20:29:34 GMT -5
Not maintained... just acknowledged.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Mar 10, 2009 2:58:43 GMT -5
Yes, but as I said, unless the acknowledgement continues, the being in question will cease to feel alive.
ANYWAY, enough psycho-babble.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Mar 10, 2009 17:25:18 GMT -5
Yeah, seriously. This is the second time the topic has been derailed. I'm kind of trying to keep it open for Squall and Odin, just in case. So...let's stay on topic and keep the questioning of existence in the OOC board.
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Post by Seltzer Grenadine on Mar 10, 2009 19:09:28 GMT -5
If they're not here by the end of this week...
I mean, I know we love and miss Squall, especially, and Odin holds a special place in my heart, but we can't hold out for them forever.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Mar 11, 2009 3:26:37 GMT -5
Well, uh...this is quite bad, but Odin still hasn't been on BG to read the u2u I've left him with. So I'm sending him an email to see if he responds to that instead. I'll keep you guys and girls posted regarding Odin.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Mar 17, 2009 20:32:56 GMT -5
I don't know if this helps in any way, shape or form, and I know it's late as hell (Also, I'm apologising for this double-post), but I just learnt that sometime in the last few days; Odin read my u2u, so I am assuming he would have also read my email.
He didn't u2u me back, or email me back...I'm sorry guys, I tried. T.T
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Mar 17, 2009 22:38:19 GMT -5
Well, that's that. I'm deleting him. I'll wait around for Orin until Xenos okays it.
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