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Post by Kuja on Jun 17, 2008 23:01:59 GMT -5
I wonder if this is how God felt when he was making the world... I'll let you know after they release Spore. There was a muslim in that topic? Are you serious?!? O.O I had no clue! LULZ! Eva is muslim.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jun 18, 2008 20:51:29 GMT -5
Are you serious? O.o Shit, I really don't know much about my fellows Gardenites... -.-
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Post by Xenos on Jun 21, 2008 13:35:01 GMT -5
I don't see why people need to force their religion on other people. I mean, Christianity is the number one cause of atheism. I really don't care. It's everyone's own business.
But haha. Muslim joined Christianity for the first time in history.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Jun 22, 2008 2:29:42 GMT -5
If religious views are ever forced upon me, I have a tendency to come for them with a cricket bat, or something that could deliver a devastating blow.
For example, I used to get Jehova's Witness coming to our door...not for quite a while now. Last time I saw a pair of them, I partly closed the door, picked up the cricket bat we keep behind the door, reopened it and literally said this:
"If you come back again, I'll beat the shit out of you with this bat! Do you understand me?"
They've not returned since. Which I was quite happy with. xD
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Jun 22, 2008 4:43:37 GMT -5
Well, I'm not religious, but my family is largely composed of Jehovah's Witnesses, so I've got a pretty good idea of why. In your average Abrahamic faith, everyone who isn't [inset One True Faith here] is punished. Hell, Purgatory, Obliteration, whatever. One way or another, people of the wrong faith get fucked.
People from [inset One True Faith here] probably know at least one person from [insert one of the less True faiths here]. They would probably like to save them from horrible doom. While they're at it, they probably want to save as many people as they can from horrible doom. I mean, you'd be kind of an asshole to seriously believe everyone is doomed to burn forever and ever and not give at least a token effort to help them.
So really, I don't look down on people trying to convert others. They're just trying to save them, and some of the ones who really, really want to save them can get a little fanatic about it. They're the ones who have good hearts, and really want to do their best to save everyone they can. Unfortunately, it also makes them annoying. I try to remember they're good people deep down...probably, even if they can be really obnoxious about it.
Edit: You're a dick, Vincent. I don't like you anymore.
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Post by Seltzer Grenadine on Jun 22, 2008 13:49:53 GMT -5
Ouch. Um, I hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but that is a really rude thing to do, Vincent. Threatening harm on anyone is terrible, but when they're just there to talk to you about religion? That's not something to be proud of. I'm not a religious person, and I don't take very kindly to those that show up at my door, asking me if I've been saved. I understand that having religion thrown at you can be frustrating. But threatening harm to those people is NO way to handle that. We used to have people from the Mormon church show up at our door quite often. I'll admit we'd mess with them now and then by acting like we were a really strange family, but never did we aim to make them think we'd hurt them. Want to know what finally got them to stop coming to our door? We politely said, "We are of a different faith, and we would really appreciate you not coming to our door." Not one visit since. We've seen them in the area, but they never show up at our door.
The point is, while it might be annoying when someone comes to your door and tries to sell their religion, whatever way you look at it, it is never justified that you should threaten them. Do you threaten telemarketers? I hope on. No matter how you look at it, they're only doing their job. No matter what, they're human beings.
But, please, guys. I'd do it if I could, but I don't have the ability. We need to clear out all the posts in this thread that have nothing to do with the main topic and leave religion out of these boards for certain. We all have our personal lives, and while many of us are friends, there is certain privileged information that needs to continue outside of these boards.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Jun 22, 2008 14:01:30 GMT -5
Don't...don't you have the ability to delete posts? I do, if you want me to clear them out. It's the little button next to "Modify".
Oh, and just to be clear, I was upset for reasons Setzer pointed out, not for any religious reasons. That and picturing my sister threatened with a bat for attempting to, in her reasoning, save their life.
Uhh...what is the topic supposed to be about, again? Have we still not decided on Jidoor?
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Post by Auron on Jun 24, 2008 0:21:13 GMT -5
Actually guys, I don't remember Vincent ever doing that personally...he's not got the ability to do that to people over so little as 'religion'. Now, I do recall him standing there while his mother did something similar.
And it wasn't A Witness, Vince. It was a mormon, I do believe. ( I was over when this happened, it was like...4 years ago now, but I have never forgotten it! and with his mother, you'd probably understand why...)
See, it was just us sitting out playing ps2, and just generally being bored. They came to the door, knocked, Leon answered, called for his mum, she came to the door, he sat back down. We were playing...something, and could hear the conversation behind us.
His mum; "Look, I'm not interested in being 'saved'. I was raised Catholic, and I'm now atheist." Mormon: "So you're not interested at all?" His mum: "Nope. Now, as I've had so many of you at my door, I'll say this one last time; the next time I see you here, (grabbed the bat at about this point) I'm calling the cops. I don't want to see youback again, is that understood?"
We'd turned around and looked at the going's on, I was like "holy shit...your mum can be really scary. She often like this?" and Vincent just nodded.
Somehow, I found myself amazed that the two of them were blood-related. It's freaky, that's what it was.
Did anyone actually find my Jidoor suggestion amusing? *raises eyebrow*
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Post by Seltzer Grenadine on Jun 24, 2008 4:34:42 GMT -5
So what you're telling us is that, rather than being violent, he's just a petty liar? At this point I don't really care if he did or did not do what he, by the way, very clearly stated that he did. The fact that he claimed to have done so, and even boasted about it makes it wrong.
Alex, I do have the ability to delete posts, I'm just a goof and did not realize. I'm also at a loss for what to do here. The moralfag in me says to wait until Vincent sees this and hopefully gives us some explanation as to why he would even begin to gloat about it. But in the interest of keeping things clean around here, I worry that doing so will cause more problems than it's worth.
The fact is, it's a matter of offending, or making fellow boardmates feel threatened in some way. Obviously, Alex felt threatened enough by the comments made, whether it be directly or indirectly, to make it known. I only wish that I had been the first one to catch this, because I would have deleted it and sent a warning to Vincent to avoid any problems.
This brings up the point that we need to add to the rules and regulations for members of this community of ours. If we can't talk about it without comments such as this, then there should be rules against discussing religion openly on the boards. I don't want to be all, "restricting freedom of speech" on you guys, but we can't let stuff like this go unnoticed.
Rrr. Okay, I'll have to think more about this when it's not 4 in the morning and I'm dead tired.
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Jun 24, 2008 14:21:05 GMT -5
You can delete my posts. I apologize again for kinda starting this.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Jun 24, 2008 16:49:07 GMT -5
Yeah, Auron, I didn't want to make a thing out of it, especially since I'm known for making things out of...things, but I've got to agree with Setzer here. I know you probably just want to defend Vincent, but all you did was make yourself look suspicious. Now either you're lying or he is.
Thanks, by the way, Setzer; both for stepping in me and for saying the things I wanted to but didn't for the sake of preserving my precious record for "X days since riding the Drama Llama". Sorry to put you in a mod position, but I think I'm a little too involved here to make the call myself. It's not your fault, Vivi. Your comment was innocent enough. While Setzer may have a point about restricting straight-up religious discussion, what you said was a vague comment about God placing cities. It may have sparked things, but the whole thing is more on Vincent for flipping out over your comment, which in turn lead to a vague religious discussion and eventually Vincent's inappropriate bragging.
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Jun 24, 2008 19:50:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but i still feel bad. This is one of those, "Wow, i wish i could go take that back so none of this would have ever happened" things. But anyways...
FINALLY ON TOPIC!!!
Did we ever decide on where Zozo and Jidoor would be?
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Post by Seltzer Grenadine on Jun 24, 2008 21:27:48 GMT -5
Vivi: You have nothing to apologize for. You had no idea that your comment would lead to that. Also, as I recall, it was Vincent who continued the conversation even after Alex said to stop. So, No harm, no foul.
Auron: If you thought I was yelling at you, I wasn't. I'm sorry.
Alex: I wouldn't go so far as to say that I think Auron was lying. I'll leave it at that. Technically I am a mod, and I found that this was something that I should not overlook. Now, as Vincent seems to have checked the board since this all went down, but without comment, I think the best action would be to delete these posts and start back at "where is Jidoor and where are we going?" I'll be checking with remaining higher-ups before I do so, however. Aerith? :/
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Post by Aerith Gainsborough on Jun 24, 2008 22:02:51 GMT -5
I should apologize for my absence, but in light of the current discussion...
I personally try to be open minded about other religions, having studied several over the years... several left-hand paths and whatnot for the sake of researching FFVII and the Lifestream faiths. Yes, it's true. And in the light of said research, I felt that there shouldn't be any restrictions on what can and cannot be discussed within the boards. I prefer to have an open forum so that no one's voice is unheard. HOWEVER, after this, I feel like this wasn't the best path.
Vince: your comment was uncalled for. I do not appreciate threats of violence to anyone, and certainly not to people who are doing what they feel is right. I dislike being bothered first thing in the morning by the missionaries, and I'll make fun of them just like everyone else. But that's as far as it should go. And then for you to brag about this is even worse.
Auron: I don't know how to take your side of the story, but that's because the story itself (either yours or Vince's) is just unimaginable. I give you some credit for protecting your friend, but that's about all.
Vivi: Don't take responsibility for something that isn't your fault. I got a giggle out of the comment, to be honest, and I'm not gonna take that away from you.
Alex: thanks for putting a little humanity back into the situation. It's easy to forget that these missionaries are doing what they believe is right; that they're trying to protect those they love, and what's more heroic than that? And thanks for not "riding the drama llama".
Setz: thanks for letting me know. We'll talk either IM or irl.
Here's what I'm going to do. As offensive as this is, I'm not gonna delete it. Deleting it is just pretending that it never happened... which it did. Instead, I'm just going to close the thread and we'll start a new one that will, hopefully, stay on topic. This way we can remember what happened and learn from it. I'm not going to punish anyone since I think this thread will be punishment enough. HOWEVER, if this happens again, I WILL take action, and I don't want to have to do that.
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