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Post by Aerith Gainsborough on Oct 16, 2007 21:27:07 GMT -5
There's been quite a bit of controversy about things here. It's mostly people arguing with me about VII related things. That's partially because I'm a psycho-bitch about tiny details. Also, the majority of our players are VII. No, wait, the majority of players (through the life of FFI) have been Compilation idiots. This subborn refusal to submit to a pure-game RP has only caused confusion to those newly initiated.
Besides continually irking me, this has also become confusing when there's a changing of the guard with a character. For example, we have Vincent. Vincent1 had no claw. Vincent2 was a decent roleplayer that set a very nice foundation, but quit. Vincent3 played for a while, established that he's Sephiroth's father (a point that I disagree, but it's up to the player), then left.
Now poor Vincent4 could believe that Hojo is Sephiroth's real father, but since Vincent3 established paternity and Sephiroth2 has been around since Vincent2, Vincent3's opinion stands. So, we're back at the start of this whole thing. WHO'S THE DADDY?
I feel that we need to settle some disputable things that, while there might still be arguments outside of FFI, it's a set standard here. It's nice to let each player have their own take on this, and we can still have that. Each player will have a different opinion of how they'd play the character. I'm sure several of you want to rip your hair out by the roots for the way I play Aerith. That's how I view her, though, so that's that. I know I'd play Cloud VERY differently from how Cloud3 (I believe) plays him, but however much I may try, the only thing I can change is random Godmoding.
So, here's what I propose. Each person take some common argument (not pairings) from their mastered game and set it in stone. Yes, non-gurus can play. Post questions about what you'd like to see finalized. Argue what we have established with your own irrefutable evidence. Do whatever you'd like, but we do need to clear some things up, especially with the chances of new players.
And GO!
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Post by Tifa Lockhart on Oct 16, 2007 22:49:42 GMT -5
Gosh....uhm...let's see here...This is how I am playing Tifa: Tifa's 19. She was pulled from Midgar a short time before the events in VII. She doesn't know anybody but Barret, Cloud, Sephiroth, Reno, and if we ever get them, Marlene, Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge. She would recognize MP's from Shinra and maybe some of Shinra's executives (The President, Hojo, etc). She is slightly immature because she's younger than you saw in VII, but she will eventually grow out of it. She has had an encounter with Reno right before time kompression (hehe Ulti), so he stands out vividly in her memory. I think everything else I wanted for Tifa is in her character profile. I am glad we're not discussing pairings, as there's a lot of places to run with that and I have ideas
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Post by Aerith Gainsborough on Oct 16, 2007 23:35:12 GMT -5
well, what I was going more for was stuff that's debated in game. Like... hmmm... Tifa's pretty well accepted. I guess the worst would be her actual bra size (let's go with 36 D for now). Other than that, I can't think of any disputable part to Tifa. You're playing Tifa the way you want. I'm not trying for a definition of how you're playing. Just things that might be miscommunicated.
Like Zack's eyes are definately blue, but a different kind of blue from Cloud. Zack's are deeper while Cloud's are greener and lighter. And Seph has GREEN EYES. Enough with the blue. Same with Aerith.
But that's not contested here.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Oct 17, 2007 2:16:52 GMT -5
*~*--~-~~-^*^~--*-~*~~CONTESTED SHIT~~*~-*--~^*^-~~-~--*~* - Compilation.
- Sephiroth's father.
- I think that's it.
I really don't think anything else has ever been seriously argued. I mean, I think it's a little silly that villains can't operate as villains unless they plan to eventually work for Xenos, and thus all villains Xenos has no use for are rejected, but I'm not going to contest it. I'm sure there are reasons for it. I also don't see why Adel is unplayable, but again, I'm sure you have your reasons. So since the compilation argument always ends in me getting yelled at because EVERYONE HERE IS INSANE*, are we just going to talk about Sephiroth's dad? I vote Hojo is the father, since...Hojo is the father. Vincent as the father makes for a nice story, but it's like Rinoa being Ultimecia. There are nothing but vague "hints" and wishful thinking to fuel the idea, and everything from Square's own mouth saying it's nonsense. *I was kidding. Please stop throwing those at me. I bruise easily.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Oct 17, 2007 22:51:54 GMT -5
I personally don't mind if Sephiroth (current) would like that Vincent remains his father, because, as Alex said, there are only vague hints as to who his parents are besides obviously Lucrecia. However, the way I'm playing my Vincent, is that he is unaware of that possibility, and that he still views Sephiroth as an enemy. Sephiroth here, may portray me, as knowing I fathered him, but I will continue to play a different form of Vincent, as I see that the previous Vincent's that have been around, still existed, but I, this Vincent, am from the end of FFVII, but the possibility of fathering Sephiroth went unbeknownst to me.
At least, that is how I intend on portraying it, if Sephiroth would like to continue with Vincent as his father.
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Post by Aerith Gainsborough on Oct 17, 2007 23:32:37 GMT -5
Adel is unplayable since Ultimecia's unplayable. It's too close. That's pretty much the only reason. That, and she's a man. I'm just that sexist lol.
Rinimecia is actually an interesting idea that I would love to further, but that would mean that Rinoa would be unplayable, too. Since Xenos' love polygon with Ulty and Squall and everything is ruled by Xenos, anything connected to Ulty is therefore sent directly to her. That's the one thing that's actually constant through this whole game.
Compilation was created after FFI's birth, and so is not included. Besides, not everyone has played Dirge of Cerberus or Before Crisis. I doubt everyone here has seen Last Order. So, you see, there's too many variables to try to include. I'll admit that it started as a personal vendetta against Compilation, but now I'm more at peace with what they've done (though it still makes me facepalm).
I like that approach, Vince. It's up to Seph as to whether or not she wants to play Vince as Dad. I couldn't tell you what she thinks, though. Last Vince made it VERY clear that she wanted to be the daddy.
Where else can you hear that? "she wanted to be the daddy." lol
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Post by Tifa Lockhart on Oct 17, 2007 23:45:37 GMT -5
I want Before Crisis so bad I actually hurt. Are they *ever* going to put it out in the US?
And for my big whiny two cents, Hojo's Seph's dad....well period. I won't pitch a fit if you guys wanna play Vinnie as Seph's dad...it will just seem weird to me is all. Though I could totally see that working. I mean, if I was Lucrecia (sp?), Vincent >>>>>>>>>> Hojo.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Oct 18, 2007 1:28:58 GMT -5
Umm...how much do you remember about Adel? Do you mean, like in power, or because she was possessed, or...? Because Rinoa is way more powerful than Adel by the end of the game, and as long as we specify "no possessed Adel" like we did with Edea it should be fine.
That's fair enough, that you don't include it because it was made after FFI. Although people not having seen it is about as likely as people who haven't played FFVI, which is somewhat common among new members, I've found. Even so, that just adds extra chance that they'll not have played one of the games.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Oct 22, 2007 10:10:25 GMT -5
Though I could totally see that working. I mean, if I was Lucrecia (sp?), Vincent >>>>>>>>>> Hojo. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside xD lol As to what Alex said, I haven indeed, never played FFVI, and as of yet, I haven't seen Last Order, but when I get an opportunity, I will! And when Crisis Core comes out, I'm purchasing that, and I need to see Before Crisis (as I'm pretty sure that was a cartoonistic movie...correct?) and I'm really quite up to date on our current FFI relevant when I somehow play FFVI.
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Post by Vivi Orunitia on Oct 22, 2007 14:35:38 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that Before Crisis was a game. It was just not released in the US... yet.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Oct 22, 2007 16:20:59 GMT -5
Last Order was the anime.
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Post by Tifa Lockhart on Oct 22, 2007 23:15:08 GMT -5
Last Order is on youtube. At least, I think it was Last Order I watched. *checks* Yes, it was. Here's the first part for anybody who wants to see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQle346B9Ks
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Post by Aerith Gainsborough on Oct 22, 2007 23:23:31 GMT -5
Well, think about it this way. FFVI has been out for long enough for you to have played it if you so desired. I mean, first it was FFIII for the SNES, then it was re-released for the PS1 as Anthology. So it's not a matter of it being too new for people to have seen it, but for people who haven't "tried hard enough." I'm of the latter party... I'm only half finished with VI, and it's been so long since I had to quit that I'd have to start all over.
Advent Children - CG movie Before Crisis - DoCoMo cell phone game Last Order - OAV Crisis Core - PSP game Dirge of Cerberus - PS2 abomination
If it was only AC to be accepted, I'd do that. But if I accepted that, I'd have to accept all of them. BC and DoC both blatantly contradict happenings from the original game. LO does to an extent, but it's not so bad. It's only minor details... like how Seph dies (Cloud throws him off in the game, but Seph jumps into the Mako pit in LO).
By the by, someone who plays Adel would be tempted to play Ultimecia. That's the only characterization s/he has through the game. Besides, there's no one applying for Adel, so why keep bringing it up. Why not just let it be? There's no sense in this drama.
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Post by Alexander THE GIRL on Oct 23, 2007 1:30:47 GMT -5
I'm not contesting that Compilation should be included, but I do have comments.
What do they contradict?
The only characterization of Adel is in Laguna's flashback. Adel never speaks or does anything other than attack and absorb Rinoa in the present. It's the non-possessed Adel in the past who actually has a personality of any kind. We see her speaking to Laguna, right before he pushes her into that freezing machine. I know there's nobody applying, but the thread is called "Let's get some things straight". I thought it would be nice to get that straight, because it confused me. Not drama, just questions.
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Post by Vincent Valentine on Oct 23, 2007 17:43:25 GMT -5
Maybe it was a Crisis Core trailer for the PSP, but it was real cartoony...man, I really don't know...
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